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Miscellaneous meanderings and philosophical ramblings. The title from a spiral notebook I used to jot down my thoughts on religion and other matters some years ago. I like to write, think and express my views on various issues. Robust discussion is welcome.


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Thursday, June 30, 2005

Moving to a new neighborhood - Issue #10


Special issue explanation here

Written a little over a year ago, and unfortunately, still very relevant.

May 09, 2004

Be Careful What You Believe

A recent quote from an excellent political commentator “…the war must be won, and no war is won until the losing side knows it has lost.” - Agonizing Choices - By George F. Will Friday, April 30, 2004. What he is referring to is our present difficulty in Iraq. Something that came to mind when I read that statement was how can the losing side know it has lost if the winning side is not allowed to know it has won?

At this time there is controversy over Ted Koppel and ABC’s decision to air the reading of the names of those who have died while serving in Iraq. Koppel claims this is to honor their service in the war on terror and is not a political attack on the President. I would be inclined to accept that if it were not for some rather interesting and undisputed facts. First, it is clearly a political season with the Presidential election drawing ever nearer. It is also the ratings sweeps period. Certainly the timing raises questions but there is more than mere cynicism giving me reason to doubt the lack of political motivation that they claim.

According to The New York Post, “Koppel and his producers admit that they mean to create a video version of a now-famous 1969 issue of Life magazine, which was devoted entirely to running the photos of all U.S. soldiers killed during one week's combat in Vietnam. That issue was a turning point in galvanizing Americans against the war.” - “Nightline's Transparent Stunt” by Editorial writer, April 30, 2004 (emphasis added). Other statements by Koppel, highlighted in that editorial, make it very clear that this is a political attack against the President. But there is something worse yet about this media grandstanding.

In order for the political attack against the President to be successful the show must succeed at demoralizing Americans (during a time of war!) and turning public opinion against America’s efforts in Iraq. That they are trying to emulate what the press did during the Vietnam War is revealing. We were not militarily defeated in Vietnam. We lost because the peace activists and the press destroyed public resolve. This is not just a conservative spin on history. As time goes by more information comes out about how the press distorted the results of the Tet Offensive, calling it a defeat for the U.S. as well as ignoring the success of Vietnamization as America pulled out. The most horrible thing about Vietnam is not that we lost but that we were winning and then completely abandoned an ally to utter defeat. One gets the impression that certain types are happy about that outcome. Never mind the human disaster that followed with the killing fields of Cambodia and the boat people of Vietnam.

So now we see that history and its mistakes are to be repeated and in this case it is not because the malefactors are ignoring history but because this is the very thing they want. Those who ensured our defeat in Vietnam by way of abandoning an ally are trying to do the same thing again. This time; however, they intend to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory from an enemy that has attacked us on our own soil. Our Allies have also suffered loss and violence within their own countries. The enemy threatens to continue to pursue its violent agenda all over the world. And yet the media hopes to deny us the ability to know that we have won and continue to win. How can the loser know it has lost when the victor is not allowed to realize it has won? If this is not considered lending support to the enemy I cannot imagine what is.

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Previous Issues of "Moving To A New Neighborhood":

Issue #9 The Tyranny of Inanimate Objects
Issue #8 Do Unto Others...
Issue #7 Are Chicago Women Really This Stupid?
Issue #6 OnStar and The Nanny State
Issue #5 The Limits of Our Language
Issue #4 Abortion - Fundamental Issues
Issue #3 Mel Gibson Failed
Issue #2 Abortion - Knee Jerk Arguments
Issue #1 Jerry Springer and the Fall of Rome
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Wednesday, June 29, 2005

Step up the criticism?


According to a report on WGN news tonight, that is the plan for some Democrats as they react to the President's speech. I guess this means little Dick can say worse things about our troops now, as apparently what he said before wasn't critical enough. That asshat was also on WGN and he needs to just shut up. Perhaps he should read what our troops are saying about how we are doing. By that I mean, other than the malcontents always referenced by his butt buddies in the media.

It's arrogant enough when a politician claims to be speaking for the American public but this jerk thinks he can speak for Iraqis now. Of course, in his feeble mind, they can only be dissatisfied. Never mind, the progress we have made in many places, that I referenced in an earlier post. Little Dick can't mention those as it wouldn't be politically expedient. Does he offer a counter plan? Do the Democrats have anything to offer other than the complete idiocy of a withdrawal date? How much clearer can the President be? We leave, when we have won.

I swear he is auditioning for a news anchor position with Al Jezeera or a starring role in the next Moore/moonbat production.

Previous posts:

Cockroaches are disgusting
The Limits of Our Language
How to talk to left-wing nut jobs
In the interest of balanced coverage
How to help terrorists 101
Now this is reporting
Little Dick Durbin
Little Dick Durbin - should pay the price
Apology?
President's speech - MSM foolishness
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President's speech - MSM foolishness


Unfortunately, I missed the speech, but WGN had a reporter getting local reaction this morning. Poor guy, only those who were supportive of the President would speak on camera. At least that was his story. I found several things interesting about that. He had started by saying Chicagoans were paying attention. I wonder, does he think that paying attention only counts if some disagree? Also, is he shooting for a job with Newsweek with his use of anonymous sources?
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Tuesday, June 28, 2005

Apology?


I hope my readers are patient while I catch up from being out of town and without an Internet connection. I also had the unfortunate luck of writing a very long post and just as I was going to save the draft, there was a momentary power failure. I recovered perhaps half of an earlier version so will have to finish that one some other time. But now to catching up.

Well little Dick finally "apologized". Too bad this prepared speech contained more thought and reflection than the one that necessitated this act. I am tempted to be cynical and dismiss his apparent sincerity. In fact, earlier I commented elsewhere that I do not accept his apology. But, let's put that aside for the moment. Suppose he is sincere, that the clamour raised (no thanks to certain GOP senators) actually convinced him that what he said was wrong. The problem is his words already had their affect elsewhere.

It's one thing to use rhetoric for political advantage. But, to so blind yourself to the affect of those words, that you miss what a current enemy to this country will do with them, is foolishness of the highest degree. It is clear that little Dick was trying to appeal to the Howling Dean/Moonbat element of the left. Unfortunately, what is red meat to them, has now become that which encourages our enemies and demoralizes our troops and their families. Was there no one in his office that could see that?

For some, foolish statements that offend others, were cause for Trent Lott to be censured and to resign his leadership position. Somehow, they don't see Durbin's comments in the same light. Such a view is so obviously biased as to not require comment. There are others though, who think neither Lott nor Durbin should have to be forced to resign for saying something stupid. But the problem with that apparently reasonable view is that it's consistency is based on considering Lott's foolishness equivalent to little Dick's.

A few points are in order here. Lott was not reading a prepared statement but rather stumbled foolishly while trying to praise a colleague. He also was not saying something that could obviously be used by our enemies during a time of war. His offensive comment also did not demoralize our troops and their families. Yet, Republicans acquiesced to demands he be censured and resign. For little Dick, the matters are very much opposite, including the MSM and other usual suspects not calling for his censure and resignation.

Is there anything a Democrat can do that will involve a backlash from their party or the MSM? Will they ever be called to pay for their indiscretions? The only thing I can think of is when they speak out against the liberal orthodoxy i.e. Zell Miller.

Interesting standards some people have. Vilify someone for stumbling into a foolish offense or speaking out against the destruction of the party but overlook using lies that demoralize our troops, deeply offend their families, damage our foreign policy and endanger our soldiers lives. Is it any wonder that saying "I'm sorry", just doesn't seem adequate?
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Monday, June 20, 2005

No blogging until I get back...


I will be out of town until Sunday.

Perhaps Senator Lugar (R) will actually have figured out what to say about little Dick Durbin by then. I called Lugar's office today and they had no official statement and no idea when they would have one. One word for that - pathetic. I guess he is waiting for direction from the MSM.

I also called Evan Bayh (D). I didn't even get an answer.

It is rather amazing that Trent Lott could be censured for being stupid and stumbling into an offensive comment, and yet little Dick gets to equate our troops with regimes that killed millions and some Republicans are afraid to make an official statement.

I'm beginning to think I should just sleep in on election days. Thanks GOP Senators, you are destroying grassroots momentum with your spineless inaction and stumbling idiocy.
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Sunday, June 19, 2005

Embryonic stem cells - Narcissism unleashed


From WorldNetDaily, Aborted-fetus shots used to stop aging:

There's a heavy demand in Russia for aborted and miscarried fetuses – for stem-cell injection treatments designed as anti-aging therapies.

The treatments are the hottest thing among the Russian elite since Botox.

According to a report in the Scotsman, pharmaceutical magnate and former presidential candidate Vladimir Bryntsalov, 58, one of Russia's 27 billionaires, is already a firm believer in the experimental treatment that can cost as much as $9,000 per session.

"I had lots of wrinkles on my face, but now the skin is as smooth as a baby's," he said. "I also had terrible scars on my body that were there since childhood, but they too have disappeared."

Never mind, the disappearance of moral clarity or the destruction of the sanctity of human life, just so long as you can look good.

Some are questioning the legality as well as the ethics.

"We are talking about a huge, corrupt and dangerous trade in dubious therapies," said Professor Vladimir Smirnov, director of Moscow's Institute of Experimental Cardiology. "The authorities have never licensed any medical specialist to administer injections of stem cells. These methods are totally experimental and illegal."

Investigations are currently being carried out into an illegal baby trade that sees impoverished women from Russia and the surrounding countries selling their aborted fetuses for about $200.

The unborn babies are cryogenically frozen before being peddled for use in the rejuvenating skin treatments.

Some women, according to a report in the London Observer, are being paid extra for having their abortions late term, producing more valuable dead babies.

"Doctors tell the women or girls that there is a problem with their pregnancy and that the baby has to be aborted, or else they are offered more money," said Ukrainian investigator Sergei Shorobogatko.

This should lay to rest the rejoinder that some of us are committing a slippery slope fallacy when we point out the danger of such things occurring. I'm sure some will say that Russian society is much more corrupt than other countries, so we don't have to worry about that. But, once you have rationalized the use of embryonic stem cells for experimentation, you really don't have much left to argue against other uses.

Afterall, it would not be convenient to have to deal with scars and wrinkles. We are only talking about protecting innocent human life.

Previous pro-life posts:

Knee Jerk Arguments
Interesting contrast
Fundamental Issues
Abortion - no consequences?
Stem cell research
Another interesting contrast
I see - pro-life people :-) part I
I see - pro-life people :-) part II
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Saturday, June 18, 2005

Jailed Iranian blogger


From Instapundit:

THE COMMITTEE TO PROTECT BLOGGERS notes the case of jailed Iranian blogger Omid Sheikhan:

Omid Sheikhan, an Iranian student, spent three months in jail last year - including a month of solitary confinement and torture. All because he spoke too freely on his blog. Now, he faces a trial on uncertain charges. In the wake of recent convictions against Iranian bloggers on dubious merits, we aim to put enough pressure on the Iranian authorities that they drop the charges against Mr. Sheikhan before his trial begins on October 8.

Read the whole thing, and sign their petition if you'd like to help.

It doesn't take much to sign a petition or spread the word. Let's do what we can to continue applying pressure to that regime.
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Their strength became the source of their weakness


In my last post, Right blogosphere vs Left blogosphere, I noted how Chris Bowers felt that the community based blogging of the left was helping that side of the blogosphere surpass the conservative/libertarian side. His point being that by providing comments and diaries, at the larger lefty blogs, the barriers for new talent were far lower than for those on the other side of the political aisle.

But then, something like this gets posted at one the largest lefty sites, Daily Kos, and you have comments supporting it:

The torture that was so bad under Saddam, is equally bad under U.S. command. And Dick Durbin had the balls to say it so on the Senate floor.

Before that little jewel of stupidity, Markos Moulitsas had this to say about Americans who were burned, had their bodies torn apart and then were hung from a bridge in Fallujah:

Let the people see what war is like. This isn't an Xbox game. There are real repercussions to Bush's folly.

That said, I feel nothing over the death of merceneries. They aren't in Iraq because of orders, or because they are there trying to help the people make Iraq a better place. They are there to wage war for profit. Screw them.

Perhaps, the increast in traffic to lefty websites will actually be their undoing, when it comes to elections. Of course, if that happens, they will predictably screech that it's a Karl Rove, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh etc. conspiracy. Should be fun to watch.

H/T little green footballs

Related posts:

Little Dick Durbin
Little Dick Durbin - should pay the price
Right blogosphere vs Left blogosphere
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Friday, June 17, 2005

Right blogosphere vs Left blogosphere


Interesting article by Chris Bowers - Aristocratic Right Wing Blogosphere Stagnating.

... I see emerging. The left-wing blogosphere is beginning to decidedly pull away from the right wing blogosphere in terms of traffic. This is largely a result of the open embrace of community blogging on the left and the stagnant, anti-meritorious nature of the right-wing blogosphere that pushes new, emerging voices to the margins.

His main point is that the left side of the blogosphere has adopted a community approach that makes it easier for new voices to be found. The right, on the other hand, rarely allows for comments, at least on the bigger blogs. One has to rely on the trickle down affect to get known.

An interesting analysis. I wonder what my readers think? One problem I see, is that the large conservative/libertarian blogs have had trouble with trolls when they allow comments. It is a time consuming effort to keep the trash out. To bad there isn't a way to track who has the most problems with harassment and trolls. I'm sure the numbers would be quite interesting.

For the sake of discussion, let's accept that his argument is accurate. What can be done? Open up comments and then have to deal with the immature? I've known several military wives that have been harassed by trolls at their blogs. How to deal with that when you are managing a blog part-time? Perhaps, community moderating can help. I have seen this at ratings sites and online forums. Various freebies could be offered to those who would be willing to help out with such tasks. It may be that is what the left is already doing.

Let's not lose sight of innovation or reject good ideas simply because our opponents are using them. Of course, Chris Bowers may just be very wrong.

Feel free to comment and offer your own analysis/solutions.

H/T Samizdat.net
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Little Dick Durbin - should pay the price


I remember Trent Lott being censured by the Senate and having to step down from his leadership position for foolish remarks he made to a Senate colleague. Why should little Dick get any less? He has compared out troops to regimes that have slaughtered millions civilians. He has expanded the term torture to such an extant that it is now meaningless. His words will be used to encourage our enemy. Is he so stupid that he cannot see the disparity in what is happening at Gitmo and the regimes the he compared our troops to? Or, is he so venal and selfish that he can only think of damaging this administration by undermining our troops and the war on terror?

Either way, he is unfit for the position he holds in the Senate. At a bare minimum he should be censured. If he were a real man, he would resign. But we know how some democrats are about taking such responsibility for their words or actions.

Bloggers for Censure has been created and can be a great tool in correcting the disaster of someone like this being in the U.S. Senate.

Check out Michelle Malkin's latest post but be sure to also scroll down as she has much more.

DURBIN WATCH: CHENEY AND MORE

Hugh Hewitt also has excellent commentary and links to more.

It will be interesting to see how the spineless GOP Senators will react to all of this. It's bad enough that some are pushing for a timeline to pull troops out of Iraq. Apparently, they forgot about the fall of Saigon and can only think about the next MSM driven poll. But one thing is clear, the media and the extreme left have not forgotten Vietnam. They want to relive the glory days of changing foreign policy and humbling the United States. Never mind, that this resulted in the fall of an ally, the boat people and slaughter for others. Never mind, that this will produce similar results in Iraq. Power in their name, damn the country or the results for others, is their only concern.

They have suffered some losses though. Dan Rather being the most obvious. Maybe, they will finally start to really change, if someone like little Dick Durbin suffers politically for trying to undermine our troops. Let's keep the pressure on.

Previous post:

Little Dick Durbin
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Wednesday, June 15, 2005

Little Dick Durbin


Being a dick yesterday, on the Senate floor no less.

From the Wall Street Journal. If the article has been updated a pdf of little Dick's comments is located here

After reading a description of detainee treatment at Gitmo little Dick goes on to say:

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.

The article makes a good point:

We are fighting an enemy that murdered 3,000 innocent people on American soil 3 1/2 years ago and would murder millions more if given the chance--and according to Dick Durbin, our soldiers are the Nazis.

Let's not also forget that the Nazis, Soviet gulags and Pol Pot killed millions of civilians. The comparison is ridiculous and in a time of war dangerous.

Apparently, some are so blinded in their zeal to hurt this administration, that they have decided to aide the enemy. He has crossed the line, but I know he will not have the decency to be ashamed, when his words are repeated daily on Al Jezeera and used to inflame and inspire our enemy.

Related post:

The Limits of Our Language
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Tuesday, June 14, 2005

Moving to a new neighborhood - Issue #9


Special issue explanation here

My previous post, regarding Professor Bainbridge's take on a gun rights court case, reminded me of an editorial I wrote some time ago for my personal website. I thought I had already posted it here, I guess my memory is going as I grow older lol. So, here you go.

Feburary 2, 2002

The Tyranny of Inanimate Objects

Or as some would like to say – “Guns cause crime”; to which I would respond, and baseball bats cause assaults and vandalism, phones cause harassment and stalking and ski masks cause bank robberies. I could go on but I think most people can see the point. There is a view in mainstream media and among liberal politicians that if only we would ban something; in this case guns, it would reduce the relevant crimes. Of course in that short list the only thing they want to ban or limit is the ownership of guns.

“So what?” one might say; “Less guns mean less crime.” That sure sounds like common sense but for a very thorough response to such a statement I recommend the book More Guns, Less Crime by John Lott. His work shows that stricter gun control laws do not actually reduce crime and the states that allow law abiding citizens to have guns, and especially carry concealed guns, had crime rates drop once these policies were implemented. But I am sure some will be tempted to say that must have been a biased study and for them and their choir that will be enough. There is a problem with focusing on supposed bias though; it is not really very helpful, just merely satisfying; as it allows one to ignore the actual studies and therefore avoid having ones emotionally powerful yet factually unsupported dogmas challenged.

Recent history can teach us many things if we will only listen. England and Australia are currently seeing higher crime rates since bans on certain firearms went in to affect. The city of Chicago has just won the honor of being the murder capitol of this country and that is with a handgun ban in affect. This same city responds to a series of rapes in a neighborhood by giving out whistles to women. Heaven forbid we should really even the odds by letting a woman carry a gun for self-defense.

But just to make sure, try an experiment. Place some loaded gun on a table and wait for something bad to happen. I am sure many are thinking, “As soon as someone gets mad and loses control, they will do something violent with that gun and prove our point”. Actually that proves my point. The gun could not do anything until that irresponsible, morally bankrupt individual wanted to do something and then actually acted on that desire. They would have done something if it had been a baseball bat. Are we going to ban baseball bats? Limit the number of bats one can purchase each month? Require registration so it will be easier to confiscate all baseball bats later? “Of course not”, would be the response, “We can’t help it that some choose to use a tool of sports entertainment for violence”. Very well then, we also can not help it that some choose to use a tool of hunting and target shooting sports, or objects of antique collections and family heirlooms in a violent manner. Not to mention that the use of this tool has allowed many law-abiding people to successfully defend themselves and others against criminals even when the criminal was armed.

So the fact is, that guns do not cause crime; just as baseball bats, or phones or ski masks do not. Experience and common sense tell us this. The real problem we need to face is not the tyranny of any inanimate object; rather, it is the tyranny of evil that people allow into their hearts that cause them to use any object for violence.

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Previous Issues of "Moving To A New Neighborhood":

Issue #8 Do Unto Others...
Issue #7 Are Chicago Women Really This Stupid?
Issue #6 OnStar and The Nanny State
Issue #5 The Limits of Our Language
Issue #4 Abortion - Fundamental Issues
Issue #3 Mel Gibson Failed
Issue #2 Abortion - Knee Jerk Arguments
Issue #1 Jerry Springer and the Fall of Rome
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Monday, June 13, 2005

Bainbridge - wussy dilettante


I am willing to bet some of you are tempted to disregard the rest of what I have to say because of the title. I don't blame you. Rest assured, I do not mean it, but I am trying to make a point.

The inspiration for this post title comes from Professor Bainbridge himself. He has weighed in concerning a court case and the right to bear arms, "At will employment: Should there be a public policy exception for gun fanciers nuts?" Unfortunately the original title to his post and cutesy fix when prompted by Eugene Volokh made it difficult to continue reading, though I tend to agree with him on the constitutional issue of property rights.

I believe in the right to keep and bear arms and the right to carry. While I disagree with employees who deny someone that right while on their property, I do believe they have the right to do so. Now, one can choose to carry anyway, for personal protection; but it is not their property and they need to be aware that there are repercussions, such as being fired. I suppose some could make the argument that personal protection is more important than property rights but I will leave that to Professor Bainbridge and others to debate.

However, it would be helpful if the good Professor would be mature enough not to smear gun owners in toto. If he doesn't care to own guns, fine. But please sir, don't detract from a worthy post with such a silly and uninformed generalization. Afterall, we do agree on a few things as I noticed earlier ;-)

Updated
Silly me, I forgot a related post:
Bainbridge wrong - this time
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Intelligent Design - New Yorker editorial - part 2


As I mentioned in part 1, Dembski has also responded to Orr.

A couple of excerpts but do take the time to check out his entire response and also his links to previous replies to critiques of Intelligent Design (ID).

Allen Orr in the New Yorker — A Response

I’ve now adverted to Allen Orr’s piece in the New Yorker a few times on this blog. The first I learned of it was when a fact-checker for the New Yorker contacted me before the article came out. Once it came out, I noted that virtually none of the suggestions and corrections I had offered to the fact-checker made it into the final article.

It's a shame that fact-checking seems to have taken a back seat in another mainstream publication.

Just one more tidbit. A nice close by Dembski.

**Orr attributes the enthusiasm with which my arguments have been met to “an innumerate public that is easily impressed by a bit of mathematics.” That’s one possibility. Another is that my mathematics is giving theoretical support to intuitions that most people have for a long time harbored.

**Toward the close of his essay, Orr quotes Michael Ruse: “It is simply not the case that people take up evolution in the morning, and become atheists as an encore in the afternoon.” While it is true that there is no strict logical contradiction between the nonteleological view of evolution that Orr holds and theism, I would ask him how many of his fellow evolutionary biologists are in fact theists. As a matter of sociology (rather than logic), Will Provine got it right: “Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented.”

**Orr concludes: “Intelligent design has come this far by faith.” Let me urge a more compelling insight: “Evolution has come this far in spite of the facts.”

Of course, this will not end the debate. I personally find the ID proponets quite interesting and compelling on the biology. My preference, however, is cosmology as that precedes biological origins and design. But, if a good case can also be made for biological systems, then by all means, have at it. Materialists need to realize that they have no reason to be so smugly confident anymore.

Related posts:

Evolution only in public schools?
More evolution only tripe
New York Times - this is reporting?
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Friday, June 10, 2005

Intelligent Design - New Yorker editorial - part 1


If you haven't heard, The New Yorker recently had an editorial by H. Allen Orr that criticized Intelligent Design. It seems that some might view this as an authoritative destruction of ID proponents. However, those who do not place an unfalsifiable faith in naturalism will not go away so quitely. I found this response and due to its length, I will include Dembski's reply to Orr in a follow-up post.

Refuted Before it was Written: A Guide to Allen Orr's "Devolution" Article in The New Yorker

by Casey Luskin

On May 23, 2005, evolutionary biologist H. Allen Orr published an editorial against intelligent design in the The New Yorker entitled "Devolution: Why intelligent design isn’t." The New Yorker is known as a fairly liberal magazine. I would love to see more liberals take intelligent design seriously, but apparently The New Yorker is still holding out, as the editorial was predictably critical of intelligent design. Nonetheless, Dr. Orr deserves some credit because he implies that scientists should actively engage ID proponents, and at various points makes some accurate descriptions of the scientific claims of intelligent design proponents. Yet when he becomes critical, nearly every substantive point Dr. Orr makes against intelligent design has been already refuted somewhere-or-another by ID proponents.

Below is response to Orr's lengthy article, but not in the typical fashion. This response is a simply a guide to rebutting Orr's article: it is a collection of Orr's claims and links to responses to his common, and already-refuted objections to intelligent design. Claims of Orr will be in the grey boxes, followed by brief discussions with interspersed links to further rebuttals.

Many scientists avoid discussing I.D. for strategic reasons. If a scientific claim can be loosely defined as one that scientists take seriously enough to debate, then engaging the intelligent-design movement on scientific grounds, they worry, cedes what it most desires: recognition that its claims are legitimate scientific ones.

Response: This is an interesting admission from Orr, as he appears to concede that many scientists have tried to ignore intelligent design. I think Orr deserves credit for acknowledging the fact that ID has been purposefully ignored by many scientists. This concession from an insider in the anti-ID mainstream scientific community (certainly large portions of the mainstream scientific community are not anti-ID, but there are portions of it which are anti-ID) shows that intelligent design faces intense political opposition rather than fair consideration by scientists.

It's been said that revolutions in thought pass through 3 phases:

1. People ignore the idea.
2. Then people they ridicule the idea (and some resort to lots of unjustified namecalling towards its proponents).
3. Then people accept the idea (and some pretend like they'd done so all along).

Given the recent attention given to ID in Nature, and Orr's subsequent comments, it appears that the "ignore phase" is completely over. To his credit, Orr's piece generally took a respectful tone. But one need not search far in many media fora and on various Darwinist internet blogs to find that the "ridicule" phase is finally in full swing. Additionally, I would like to note that past attempts by prominent scientific journals to rebut the scientific claims of ID while giving the appearance of ignoring it is discussed here.

In the past few years, college students across the country have formed Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness chapters. Clearly, a policy of limited scientific engagement has failed.

Response: As an initial trivial side-note, Orr failed to completely identify our organization, under the commonly known name of "IDEA Chapters." Secondly, Orr has made an interesting point: why should "limited scientific engagement" be the policy of scientists? Shouldn't they want to seek truth and want to understand if intelligent design is a viable explanation? Again, this seems to indicate that intelligent design is not being given a fair hearing by scientists.

Orr is correct that such an "ignore it 'til you can't anymore" policy fails. Many Darwinists are now recommending that scientists actively engage ID, as is recounted here. Darwinists may think that we are fearful of such scientific engagement because we don't think our ideas will hold up. This couldn't be further from the truth, as it is clearly seen here that IDEA Clubs actively pursue interactions with Darwinists and applaud those who are willing to come to IDEA events to learn about and discuss intelligent design.

The reason why so many students are interested in intelligent design is because they aren't hearing about it in their classes, or are hearing about it in an exceedingly one-sided manner. This piques their interest because students are keen at smelling when there is information they aren't being told. This only furthers student interest in intelligent design. The best way for all scientists to "deal" with intelligent design is to confront it in an honest and open-minded manner. If this happens, then intelligent design advocates know they have nothing to fear from having the cards laid out on the table.

Living organisms are too complex to be explained by any natural—or, more precisely, by any mindless—process. Instead, the design inherent in organisms can be accounted for only by invoking a designer, and one who is very, very smart.

Response: Again, to his credit, Orr gets a many things right in his depiction of intelligent design. In fact, I would like to commend Orr for his treatment in this section. But readers might mistake that intelligent design is merely a negative argument against evolution. See our "Is ID just a negative argument against evolution?" FAQ for a response to this common objection.

These claims [of ID proponents] have been championed by a tireless group of writers, most of them associated with the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute, a Seattle-based think tank that sponsors projects in science, religion, and national defense, among other areas.

Response: These "writers" are often scientists, professors, scholars, and other academics who are qualified to speak on this subject. So labeling individuals at Discovery "writers" doesn't tell the whole story. Additionally, Orr seems to imply that Discovery is highly involved in religious activities. I just did a quick survey of the website of the Discovery Institute and it appears that of their 6 major programs, none of them are primarily focused on religion. Of their four "other programs" only two seem to deal specifically with religion. But Orr should be commended at least for mentioning that Discovery does do science.

As biologists pointed out, there are several different ways that Darwinian evolution can build irreducibly complex systems. In one, elaborate structures may evolve for one reason and then get co-opted for some entirely different, irreducibly complex function. Who says those thirty flagellar proteins weren’t present in bacteria long before bacteria sported flagella? They may have been performing other jobs in the cell and only later got drafted into flagellum-building. Indeed, there’s now strong evidence that several flagellar proteins once played roles in a type of molecular pump found in the membranes of bacterial cells

Response: This is one of Orr's counterpoints to ID which has been responded to time-and-time again by ID proponents. Orr is claiming that (1) co-optation is a viable explanation for how the parts of the flagellum came together, and that (2) the a "molecular pump" (aka the Type Three Secretory System) is one part which was co-opted into the flagellum. Even the introductory ID documentary Unlocking the Mystery of Life tackles this objection just fine. As seen here, here, and here, ID proponents have made many comments regarding the inability of co-optation to account for the flagellum. Firstly, as discussed here, many of the arguments that proteins found in the flagellum are have similar "homologues" elsewhere in the cell are quite weak. Thus, Orr's claim that "They may have been performing other jobs in the cell and only later got drafted into flagellum-building" is highly questionable. Regarding the "molecular pump," as documented here, and especially here, the Type Three Secretory System cannot be a precursor to the flagellum, and even if it could be, it would only account for less than 1/3 of the total flagellar proteins. Orr's arguments that co-optation can explain the origin of the flagellum have been extensively rebutted by ID proponents long before this article was published.

We add new parts like global-positioning systems to cars not because they’re necessary but because they’re nice. But no one would be surprised if, in fifty years, computers that rely on G.P.S. actually drove our cars. At that point, G.P.S. would no longer be an attractive option; it would be an essential piece of automotive technology. It’s important to see that this process is thoroughly Darwinian: each change might well be small and each represents an improvement

Response: The problem with Orr's argument here is that the very points made by ID proponents about the flagellum is that the parts in it aren't just "nice" they are "necessary" for function! This is discussed here and also in Darwin's Black Box by Michael Behe. As William Dembski writes "Even the simplest bacterial flagellum requires around forty proteins for its assembly and structure. All the proteins are necessary in the sense that lacking any of them a working flagellum does not result." (See Dembski's The Logical Underpinnings of Intelligent Design for details.) Experimental data seems to confirm Dembski's claim, meaning that we can't evolve a flagellum by making "nice" little additions--we have many parts which are "necessary" all at once to get any functional flagellar motor. This defies Orr's attempt at an explanation.

William Dembski once criticized Orr for failing to provide a good example of how the flagellum evolved. Dembski wrote. "Indeed, if such accounts [of the evolution of the flagellum] were available, Orr would merely need to cite them and intelligent design would be finished." Where are Orr's cites?

Biologists actually know a great deal about the evolution of biochemical systems, irreducibly complex or not. It’s significant, for instance, that the proteins that typically make up the parts of these systems are often similar to one another. (Blood clotting—another of Behe’s examples of irreducible complexity—involves at least twenty proteins, several of which are similar, and all of which are needed to make clots, to localize or remove clots, or to prevent the runaway clotting of all blood.) And biologists understand why these proteins are so similar. Each gene in an organism’s genome encodes a particular protein. Occasionally, the stretch of DNA that makes up a particular gene will get accidentally copied, yielding a genome that includes two versions of the gene. Over many generations, one version of the gene will often keep its original function while the other one slowly changes by mutation and natural selection, picking up a new, though usually related, function. This process of “gene duplication” has given rise to entire families of proteins that have similar functions; they often act in the same biochemical pathway or sit in the same cellular structure. There’s no doubt that gene duplication plays an extremely important role in the evolution of biological complexity.

Response: Michael Behe has responded extensively to claims that the blood clotting cascade is not irreducibly complex, here and here.

The most serious problem in Dembski’s account involves specified complexity. Organisms aren’t trying to match any “independently given pattern”: evolution has no goal, and the history of life isn’t trying to get anywhere. If building a sophisticated structure like an eye increases the number of children produced, evolution may well build an eye. But if destroying a sophisticated structure like the eye increases the number of children produced, evolution will just as happily destroy the eye. Species of fish and crustaceans that have moved into the total darkness of caves, where eyes are both unnecessary and costly, often have degenerate eyes, or eyes that begin to form only to be covered by skin—crazy contraptions that no intelligent agent would design. Despite all the loose talk about design and machines, organisms aren’t striving to realize some engineer’s blueprint; they’re striving (if they can be said to strive at all) only to have more offspring than the next fellow.

Response: If you leave a TV set unused on the top of a mountain for 40 years, chances it will stop working. But nobody will claim that the loss of its function is evidence that it wasn't designed in the first place. Eyeless cave-dwelling animals are a great example of loss of function. Intelligent design theory has no problem relegating loss-of-function to natural selection. Indeed, William Dembski even sees this phenomenon as a promising being part of the ID research program, which can investigate, the "Perturbation Problem--How has the original design been modified and what factors have modified it? This requires an account of both the natural and the intelligent causes that have modified the object over its causal history. " (Intelligent Design Coming Clean.) The problem ID is interested in is the acquisition of functions in the first place--How did the functional eye first arise? This is a question better put to ID than "how was an eye's function lost."

Another problem here is that Orr seems to be assuming the truth of his own argument here. If complex biological structures exist, for which there would be no function but for an exceedingly complex and unlikely arrangement of parts, then the creative process must have been goal directed! If Orr is correct that "evolution has no goal" then perhaps the correct answer is that "evolution didn't produce these structures which require a goal-directed process in order to arise!"

On the other hand, intelligent agents can think with the "end in mind" and design objects with a goal in mind. The best "goal-directed" process out to explain the origin of these structures there is intelligent design.

Another problem with Dembski’s arguments concerns the N.F.L. theorems. Recent work shows that these theorems don’t hold in the case of co-evolution, when two or more species evolve in response to one another. And most evolution is surely co-evolution. Organisms do not spend most of their time adapting to rocks; they are perpetually challenged by, and adapting to, a rapidly changing suite of viruses, parasites, predators, and prey. A theorem that doesn’t apply to these situations is a theorem whose relevance to biology is unclear. As it happens, David Wolpert, one of the authors of the N.F.L. theorems, recently denounced Dembski’s use of those theorems as “fatally informal and imprecise.” Dembski’s apparent response has been a tactical retreat. In 2002, Dembski triumphantly proclaimed, “The No Free Lunch theorems dash any hope of generating specified complexity via evolutionary algorithms.” Now he says, “I certainly never argued that the N.F.L. theorems provide a direct refutation of Darwinism.”

Response: Orr provides no citation or context for his "tactical retreat" of Dembski. However, it seems odd to claim that Dembski is in a "tactical retreat" with regards to N.F.L. theorems because as late as March, 2005 (i.e. 2 months ago), Dembski wrote "The No Free Lunch regress, by demonstrating the incompleteness of stochastic mechanisms to explain assisted searches, fundamentally challenges the materialist dogma that reduces all intelligence to chance and necessity." (William Dembski, Searching Large Spaces: Displacement and the No Free Lunch Regress) Perhaps Dembski's "retreat" was not a recantation but rather clarification of his views. From this quote given here in Dembski's March, 2005 article, it seems clear that Dembski has not softened in his views whatsoever. Orr's depiction of Dembski could also be taken to show that Dembski is strengthening or updating his arguments in response to criticisms. Why, then is Orr critical? Shouldn't Dembski he should be lauded for being open to correction or is Orr not willing to grant such commendations for his own tactical reasons

But it’s striking that Dembski’s views on the history of life contradict Behe’s. Dembski believes that Darwinism is incapable of building anything interesting; Behe seems to believe that, given a cell, Darwinism might well have built you and me. Although proponents of I.D. routinely inflate the significance of minor squabbles among evolutionary biologists (did the peppered moth evolve dark color as a defense against birds or for other reasons?), they seldom acknowledge their own, often major differences of opinion. In the end, it’s hard to view intelligent design as a coherent movement in any but a political sense.

Response: Orr claims that Dembski believes that Darwinism can't build "anything interesting" but that Behe believes that, given a cell, Darwinism could have built you and me. According to Orr, because Dembski has stronger doubts about Darwin's mechanism than Behe, they all must have political motivations for making their claims. This is not a logical argument on the part of Orr. Furthermore, if Orr's questionable mode of argumentation were correct, it could equally be applied to evolution, where Orr concedes there are differences in opinion. In reality, there is diversity of views in the ID movement but again, Orr should be lauding this as a strength of the potential of the movement, not a weakness. Despite any perceived differences in the views of Dembski and Behe, they agree on some core tenets of ID: that Darwin's mechanism can't produce some things and ID is the best explanation. This is why Dembski writes the following showing how they both agree that Darwin's mechanism is impotent in some key respects:

"Behe, by contrast, requires a much more demanding form of possibility in assessing the ability of the Darwinian mechanism to produce irreducible complexity. For Behe, it's a probabilistic form in which highly improbable, functionally specified structures cannot happen by chance. This weds Behe's work on irreducible complexity to mine on specified complexity. Both Behe and I understand chance here very broadly, and thus include the Darwinian mechanism of natural selection and random variation. The logical force of our argument purports to be the same as "You can't walk into a Las Vegas casino and get a hundred double zeros in a row playing roulette." There's a sheer possibility that this could happen by chance, but not a real possibility." (Dembski, Sheer vs. Real Possibilities: A Response to Allen Orr)

It is clear that both Behe and Dembski agree that Darwin's mechanism is impotent and that design is the best explanation. If they disagree on some other details, this does not negate the force of the overall argument.

Finally, it's not even clear that Orr's characterization of Dembski's views is correct. Orr claims that Dembski thinks that Darwinism has done nothing, but yet Dembski has written, "It is, for instance, a logical possibility that the design in the bacterial flagellum was front-loaded into the universe at the Big Bang and subsequently expressed itself in the course of natural history as a miniature outboard motor on the back of E. Coli. Whether this is what actually happened is another question (more on this later), but it is certainly a live possibility..." (Intelligent Design Coming Clean) This quote alone refutes Orr's claim that Dembski and Behe are necessarily in conflict over their views about the history of life.

Even if Orr's criticisms of ID were valid, he seems to fail to recognize that these sorts of criticisms equally apply to his own theory. In any case, Dembski has recounted a a number of core tenets that ID proponents agree upon.

It’s also hard to view it as a real research program. Though people often picture science as a collection of clever theories, scientists are generally staunch pragmatists: to scientists, a good theory is one that inspires new experiments and provides unexpected insights into familiar phenomena. ... In the nearly ten years since the publication of Behe’s book, by contrast, I.D. has inspired no nontrivial experiments and has provided no surprising insights into biology. As the years pass, intelligent design looks less and less like the science it claimed to be and more and more like an extended exercise in polemics.
Response: What is missing here is perhaps more interesting than what is present. Darwinists used to say that ID proponents had produced no peer-reviewed publications. In fact, they have, and here are 3 of them:

  1. “The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories” by Stephen C. Meyer, Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington 117(2):213-239 (2004) (explicitly advocating that intelligent design is the best explanation for the origin of biological information in the Cambrian explosion)
  2. Michael Behe and David W. Snoke, “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues,” Protein Science, 13 (2004). (testing for irreducible complexity among protein-protein binding sites)
  3. Jonathan Wells, “Do Centrioles Generate a Polar Ejection Force?,” Rivista di Biologia / Biology Forum, 98:71-96 (2005). (using explicitly ID assumptions to elucidate the behavior of centrioles—with potential applications to cancer research)

Thus, we see that ID is being applied to explain the origin of biological complexity in the Cambrian Explosion (Meyer, 2004), to help explain how cells work (Wells, 2005), contributing to cancer research, and also inspiring theoretical research into the evolvability of various protein-protein bonds (Behe and Snoke, 2004). Behe and Snoke (2004)'s article directly refutes Orr's claim that ID inspires no new research: their article is directly derived from Behe's claims about irreducible complexity at the biochemical level, and is an attempt to test those claims. (See this link for more information on publications of ID proponents.) Given that about 85% of the budget of the Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture goes to scientific research (see this blog posting for details), it seems that ID is interested in science, and not just politics. ID proponents have published dozens of scholarly books from reputable publishers with scientific emphases, as well as a growing number of publications in mainstream scientific journals. Orr just isn't willing to concede these points!

In 1999, a document from the Discovery Institute was posted, anonymously, on the Internet. This Wedge Document, as it came to be called, described not only the institute’s long-term goals but its strategies for accomplishing them. The document begins by labelling the idea that human beings are created in the image of God “one of the bedrock principles on which Western civilization was built.” It goes on to decry the catastrophic legacy of Darwin, Marx, and Freud—the alleged fathers of a “materialistic conception of reality” that eventually “infected virtually every area of our culture.” The mission of the Discovery Institute’s scientific wing is then spelled out: “nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies.” It seems fair to conclude that the Discovery Institute has set its sights a bit higher than, say, reconstructing the origins of the bacterial flagellum.

Response: For a detailed response from Discovery regarding the Wedge Document, see this article by John West.

Pope John Paul II himself acknowledged, in a 1996 address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, that new research “leads to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis.” Whatever larger conclusions one thinks should follow from Darwinism, the historical fact is that evolution and religion have often coexisted. As the philosopher Michael Ruse observes, “It is simply not the case that people take up evolution in the morning, and become atheists as an encore in the afternoon.”

Response: I agree with Orr that it is at least possible to believe in God and neo-Darwinism. For some examples, a good volume by theistic evolutionists is "Perspectives on an Evolving Creation" (edited by Keith B. Miller). It should be noted, however, that the current Pope is very skeptical of Darwinism's compatibility with Christianity (see http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/24#more-24 for details). But neo-Darwinism, if it is the correct account, has mandatory implications for a theist's views about how God has operated in the world. See this link for an extensive discussion. But that's beside the point, because the point is whether or not neo-Darwinism is a viable hypothesis to explain the diversity of life on earth, and the evidence points to "not."

On this point, out of genuine curiosity, I would like to publicly ask Dr. Orr to share with us his personal religious beliefs. Perhaps some personal testimony from himself about what he believes about God and religion, and why, would be helpful. I publicly invite Allen Orr to explain to us how his Darwinian view of life interfaces with his personal religious beliefs. Public disclosure of Orr's personal views would go much further towards reassuring people that it is possible to believe in God and evolution than would his mere citation to a statement by a pope who said that God and evolution are compatible. My e-mail address is casey@ideacenter.org.

Orr devotes much space to critique but never provides any viable evolutionary explanations for the origin of the flagellum or the blood clotting cascade. Orr's article focuses a lot on issues which have nothing to do with the science of intelligent design theory. To keep this focus where it should be --- on the science --- I will reiterate a challenge Dembski posed long ago to Allen Orr: "Indeed, if such accounts [of the evolution of the flagellum] were available, Orr would merely need to cite them and intelligent design would be finished." (Evolution's Logic of Credulity: An Unfettered Response to Allen Orr.) Orr has been given a chance in this latest article to explain how the flagellum evolved, but he has offered nothing more than weak arguments about homology and molecular pumps which have been refuted over-and-over again by ID proponents. Where is the viable citation to how the flagellum evolved? Unless Orr can meet Dembski's challenge, his case is not looking good.
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Thursday, June 09, 2005

Separated at birth?


While Howard Dean, resident moonbat extraordinaire and head of the DNC, is more entertaining than a car wreck of circus clowns skidding on a banana peel; he seems to have been eclipsed by even more idiocy. I bet you didn't hear it from the MSM though.

Ed Morrissey looks at a ridiculous statement by Amnesty International:

However, according to Leo at the end of his column, AI also issued a press release accompanying their annual report that the media mostly ignored. In that release, Amnesty International apparently called for other nations to kidnap George Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, and other American officials and haul them off to the ICC for prosecution on charges of crimes against humanity:

[...] In a press release that most reporters ignored, the group also invited foreign governments to snatch certain visiting American officials off the streets and bring them to trial for crimes against humanity. The suggested snatchees, should they travel abroad, were President Bush, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former CIA Director George Tenet, and other unnamed civilian and military officials.[...]

Such idiocy, either indicates that Howard Dean has a long lost sibling of similar mental stability or someone is intentionally aiding and abetting the enemy. Take your pick.

H/T Michelle Malkin
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Wednesday, June 08, 2005

I see - pro-life people :-) part II


It is quite interesting to find out who is pro-life nowadays. From The Minor Prophet last month, is this transcript of Kathy Ireland expressing her pro-life views on "Hannity & Colmes". I was rather impressed with how bold she was and especially her reponse to Colmes and his smarmy "I then have the conservative position" comment.

And let's not forget former supermodel Kathy Ireland on "Hannity & Colmes" taking down Alan Colmes like Watergate took down Nixon:

COLMES: "We played a little clip from last time you were on the show. And I asked you if you had a liberal position. And for those who didn't see it earlier, you said yes, I'm liberal about the rights of the unborn child.

"Now I think I'm conservative on abortion because I think the government should not be involved and that this is not a governmental issue. It's a personal issue. So wouldn't I then have the conservative position here?"

IRELAND: "Is it all right for the government to allow the murder of an innocent human being? The evidence I see tells me the unborn is a human being. From the moment of conception, a new life comes into being with a complete genetic blueprint. The sex is determined. The blood type is determined."

Colmes relentlessly attempted to interrupt Ireland as she spoke; however,
Ireland was stronger and won her right to finish her points despite the
intimidation. Eventually Colmes was able to get in the following but only to his eventual defeat:

COLMES: "Well, we have a system of laws and a Supreme Court decision that does not define life the way you do. So legally, that's not how it would be defined. If you want to define it that way for your personal -- that's how you want to do it, that's fine, but that's not the standing law of this country."

IRELAND: "If you can, Alan, if you can show me evidence that the unborn is not a human being, I will gladly join the pro-choice side. If you can show me any evidence. It's very clear and simple.

"Last time I was on, you said we're not going to resolve this right now but it's very simple. The bottom line is this. If the unborn is not a human being, have as many abortions as you want, whenever you want. It doesn't matter. No justification is necessary. If, on the other hand, the unborn is a human being, no justification is adequate unless another human life, that being the mother, is in danger."

HANNITY: "Kathy, welcome back. Sean Hannity here. You know, since the last time you were on, we had an enormous amount of e-mail from people that were frankly shocked that somebody as famous, [and] well known as yourself, [would] take such a strong pro-life position. Are there more of these famous people that are just not willing to state these things publicly?"

IRELAND: "I know it's not a popular issue. And I was always pro- choice. I'm a person who always has and always will fight for the rights of women. And even though I became a Christian at age 18, I remained pro-choice because I believed it was a woman's choice. But the moment that I learned that the unborn was a human being, not part of the woman's body ..."

HANNITY: "Yes."

IRELAND: "...but its own individual human being, I have no choice but to defend the most vulnerable among us."

HANNITY: "Well, it's admirable, because I agree with you on the position. And especially with what modern technology now offers in terms of our ability to see inside a woman's womb."

IRELAND: "Absolutely."

HANNITY: "And the heart beating and the fingers and the toes."

IRELAND: "You really can't argue with it. Technology has come a long way since Roe vs. Wade."

HANNITY: "I can't."

IRELAND: "And Alan, I welcome you to please refute my claim."

HANNITY: "There's no hope."

IRELAND: "Not to dismiss it, but refute it."

HANNITY: "No hope for him, Kathy."

IRELAND: "I welcome it, or if any of your viewers can."


Previous pro-life posts:

Knee Jerk Arguments
Interesting contrast
Fundamental Issues
Abortion - no consequences?
Stem cell research
Another interesting contrast
I see - pro-life people :-) part I
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Tuesday, June 07, 2005

A website that needs to be shut down


RevivingIslam.com had previously been shut down due to a death threat against Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch.

An excerpt from his original report:

One poster put up my picture, with this underneath:
ROBERT SPENCER, the director of Jihad Watch, is a writer and researcher... http://www.jihadwatch.org/spencer/

To which one responded:
I believe he's already on the hit list, nothing new..

Other responses:
i support al qaida to the fullest... and what read that you munfiq [hypocrite] spy

aint no one stop us from supporting our brothers in JIHAD against these dirty crusaders, jews or mushriks [polytheists].

sis how you feel being singled out by this kafir [unbeliever]

Lol, i was shocked at first, but then, it made me more determined! Lol, if they think this is going 2 stop us ppl, then they got it rong.when ppl read ther stupid posts,they will want2 be more active and actually do something....Lol, and that robert, i feel like trowin him under a bus........or getting a missile and shootin him with it.Obviously i would need a missile first.Anyone got 1?..................LOL

Be sure to read the entire post, as there are more such comments. Unfortunately, the site is back up and posters there are vomiting more of their bile against those not filled with blinding hatred for non-jihadists as they are.

Jihad Watch reports again:

RevivingIslam.com is back, so I thought you might be interested in seeing the reaction they had to my publicizing of their death threat against me. This material was posted on the RevivingIslam forums in the three days between my posting the threat and the shutdown of their site -- a shutdown that has now proved to be temporary.

I expect that most people in this country still don't realize that there are some among us who pray such prayers and harbor such wishes. I hope that law enforcement officials are looking out for the people who posted these things, although no one has responded to my reporting of this material.

The "Jew at Jihad Watch" to which they're referring is, of course, me. I am honored by the designation, but it is erroneous, and arises from the Qur'an's depiction of the Jews as the most persistent and clever enemies of Islam.

Jew At Jihad Watch Strikes Again, Claims He's not a Member of RI

May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over again. May He put this friend of shaytaan in the worst part of jahannum. Ameen.

And Allah is capable of all things.

All of the following is written by Richard Spencer ash-Shaytaani [that is, Robert Spencer of Satan] on his Jewish Zionist blog, where he quotes some of the posters on this board. I've put these quotes into [quote/quote] to make it easier to read without going to his Hedonistic web site....

It may be that some (all?) of this is just your typical Internet troll. The type that likes to throw flames in any discussion and snicker at the drama they create. But who wants to take the chance, that the type who say such things are not serious? Even if everyone one of those comments is just from someone with the adolescent mindset of an Internet troll, why risk their rhetoric possibly inflaming someone else, who will do much more than merely throw around flaming rhetoric?

I think the website should be permanently shut down. Hopefully, that will be the result, this time. Though I am sure some of my readers are aware of methods, or know someone who is, that can cause a website quite a lot of trouble until then. Just sayin ;-)

The Jawa Report has information about who the site is registered to along with contact information for the site's servers.

H/T Ace of Spades

Related post:

About that Koran abuse
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Sunday, June 05, 2005

Now this is reporting


Michael Yon is a freelance author, by choice, reporting from Iraq. Much to read and I recommend adding this to your blogroll and checking back often. The latest post is a picture essay that you will not see in the MSM. Other posts detail how action reports work their way to the MSM and how the postitive elements in Iraq are not reported.

Michael Yon: Online Magazine

If only the MSM would balance their body count news segments and headlines, with the great work our troops are doing and the success that many in Iraq our experiencing. At best, they are being carelessly irresponsible with their privileged status. So much so, that it is not improper to wonder if some are actually intentionally undermining the work our troops are involved with, simply because George Bush is in office.

H/T The Anchoress with her post including many other links on the subject of troop appreciation.
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Cleaning out the attic - Issue #1 - Ronald Reagan


Special issue explanation here

It is the first anniversary of Ronald Reagan's passing and Michelle Malkin links to a moving tribute by Trey Jackson.

I had written my thoughts shortly after his funeral, but for some reason never posted them at my old website. I think I may have been overwhelmed by the moving tributes from Margaret Thatcher and former President George Bush.

Since it is his anniversary, this seems like a good time to finally post my thoughts with various links I have found while preparing this post.

When Heroes Depart

Ronald Wilson Reagan, 1924 – 2004, President of the United States 1980 – 1988.

What more can be said that has not already been more eloquently expressed by others greater than I? For those to young to remember, it would be helpful to read Margaret Thatcher’s eulogy. For those too partisan to change their views I only hope I can pray for you as Reagan prayed for his would be assassin.

"I didn't feel I could ask God's help to heal Jim, the others, and myself, and at the same time feel hatred for the man who had shot us, so I silently asked God to help him deal with whatever demons had led him to shoot us."

Maybe there is something I can add to all the praise and love and honor that have been rightfully declared for this man, who did so much for the country and for the world with such charm and kindness. What I mean, is that my short list of heroes must now also include Ronald Reagan.

Thinking about it now, I realize that I have felt this way for some time but his absence from public life made it easy for that to be forgotten. Watching the ceremonies and hearing the great memories, the history, and the accomplishments, reminded me that this was a man who carried greatness on his shoulders with humility and good nature.

For some, his death is another opportunity to criticize. I suspect he would have had a sharp yet humorous reply for them. For me, I choose to look to Ronald Reagan as inspiration, for an example on how to be a better man.

As Regan said – “A gentleman always does the right thing”. A worthy goal for any of us and I hope that I can honor this man by living in such a manner.

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I found a good website while preparing this post The Reagan Information Page. Be sure to check out the blog, Reality Hammer, located there as well.

An excellent book that I have concerning Reagan and one that I highly recommend:

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Babe theory of social revolution


Interesting photo spread and editorial regarding babes and successful political and social revolutions.

Judging from the conservative and intelligent babe bloggers on my blogroll, I'm a bit more positive about the continued success of conservatism in this country :-)

H/T Ace of Spades
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Saturday, June 04, 2005

About that Koran abuse


Apparently, one of the incidents involved a guard urinating near an air vent and wind blowing the urine onto the detainee and his Koran. The shocking urine headlines are very much undermined by the rest of the report. The detainee had no qualms reporting this and ended up with a new uniform and Koran. The guard was reprimanded and given other duties to eliminate contact with prisoners. Hardly official policy or widespread, systematic abuse, as Amnesty International, the MSM or the usual suspects would have people believe.

But since a urine incident of some type occurred, I guess we can expect the following from certain types of politicians, the MSM, mommy groups and other advocacy (whaa whaa) organizations.

  • You may only urinate x number of times per month.

  • You will have to endure a background check before urinating.

  • Illinois will require a Urinators Identification Card to be updated periodically. If you fail to follow this bureaucratic regulation then you may not urinate lest you be subjected to fines and/or jail time.

  • Urinating in restrooms will not be allowed in religious establishments, sports arenas or places that sell alcohol.

  • You may not travel with a full bladder as that means you are carrying urine in a concealed manner.

  • Only certain types of urine delivery systems may be allowed. While they all function the same, some are just scarier looking than others.

  • Large bladders will be banned.

  • As they try to implement these regulations, we will constantly hear that they are not trying to ban urinating but just want to implement "common sense" controls.

    As for my serious views on the matter, well it's hard for me to get worked up over the destruction or desecration of mass produced copies of the Koran when Muslim terrorists are blowing up mosques, presumably destroying Korans in the process and oh yeah, killing Muslims as well. I could understand horror over irreplaceable original documents being lost, kind of, like when ancient Buddhist statues are destroyed, but reacting violently and killing people, just does not make sense to me.

    Michelle Malkin has much more on the Gitmo report with excellent commentary and links galore.
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    Moving to a new neighborhood - Issue #8


    Special issue explanation here

    This particular editorial had a different title when I first wrote and posted it on my old personal website. I've decided to change it, as it seemed rather trite, considering the subject matter.

    Topic: Abortion

    November 23, 2004

    Do Unto Others...

    Those who have experience in the workforce have no doubt been subjected to less than perfect employers. I am sure that most of us at one time or another has felt like just a number. We have resented being considered valuable only because of what we do for the company. This being reduced to something less than human can also be experienced when we make contact with just about any bureaucracy. We are looked at as units waiting in line, important only because we can sign on the dotted line or stand still and look into the camera for the invariably horrible id photo. This depersonalization of individuals may be a factor in road rage. We look at those other things in traffic slowing us down, getting in our way and forget there is a real human being in there. Is it any wonder that those with a lack of self-control or extreme selfishness may lash out in rage from time to time?

    But this editorial is not about road rage or the indignity of waiting in line to renew your driver’s license. Rather, it is an examination of abortion and an issue that is very central to that discussion. Specifically the matter of whether or not the unborn are human beings worthy of the right to life.

    One argument advanced for permitting abortion is that the unborn are not human beings or do not have personhood because they cannot think. Cogito ergo sum (I think therefore I am) is what makes us human goes the argument. This seems entirely intuitive and easy to accept. After all, we know that when the brain ceases to function we do not consider the body being kept alive by machines to be worthy of protecting.

    There are several flaws with this argument. One is that thinking ceases when a person is asleep or in a coma but both conditions are reversible. The response is that personhood has been achieved and should be protected until we know the chances of mental activity returning are extremely slim as in a persistent vegetative state. This is different from the unborn as they have not reached this state yet and they only have a potential to do so. But the strength of that reply is based on our experience of what normally happens. We know that sleep usually leads to being awake and that a patient can recover from a coma by way of medical intervention. Does it need to be mentioned that we know that pregnancy normally leads to a thinking infant being born? In fact, brain waves are detected at about six weeks after conception.

    Still the reply is that this is only potential and hasn’t happened yet. But the examples of temporary cessation of thinking illustrate an additional flaw. The problem with using this definition of personhood is that it is based on how an individual is functioning. The examples show that while it is sufficient to define personhood; this criterion is actually not necessary in order to make that distinction. If it were necessary, every time a person is asleep or in a coma they no longer posses personhood and therefore no longer deserve the right to life. We can see this to be foolish and the argument for defining personhood in this manner has failed.

    But another objection is that the unborn are not separate from the body of the mother. It is claimed that they have no rights until they exist independently. The hope is that combined with the personhood defined by function criterion we may now have a sustainable pro-choice argument that can avoid the absurdities that occur when the brain function argument is used alone. But this ignores the fact that the unborn are distinct from the mother by their genetic code and their own biological structure. We never talk of the mother having 4 feet, 4 hands, 4 eyes, 4 ears etc. during pregnancy. The unborn is also distinct in blood type. The genetic code contains the information for that unique individual’s hair and eye color, skin tone and fingerprints to name just a few characteristics that define an individual human being. The only thing left is the location of the unborn in the woman’s body. The claim being that we have a right to control our body. But that is what is under discussion. To use that as justification is to assume that it has been settled as true in this case. But that is begging the question. Even worse, it relies on the temporary location of the unborn to permanently deny them personhood. But we have already shown that temporary conditions do not result in someone not being a person to begin with.

    So now, we have seen that several pro-choice arguments are rather shot through with holes. It might be hoped that together they provide a strong enough reason to support permitting abortion. This does not work and an analogy can help to see that. Imagine trying to catch water with a leaky bucket. You will not succeed. Adding another leaky bucket does not help either. The same goes for multiple “leaky” arguments trying to support a pro-choice position.

    But we have to somehow make a determination about the unborn. Must we be afraid of fulfilling the knee-jerk criticism of forcing religion on others? Such is not the case. While many will be motivated by their religious beliefs and that is all well and good, we have enough information from science to make a judgment that avoids the objection of pushing religion on others. We also should not be apprehensive about telling people what to do. If we really can determine that the unborn deserve the right to life, we should protect them. Would anyone say, “I don’t believe it's right to kill a preschooler but I don’t think I should tell someone else not to do it”?

    At conception, we have the beginning of a new human life. This life is unique and will be a continuum of a person’s life from conception to death. This is undeniable; the debate is why should we apply the right to life at the earliest stages of development of a person’s life. We do not have to worry about the absurd conclusion of protecting every skin cell, sperm or egg because we have a defining moment at conception. We have seen that efforts to place the right to life only after birth or the achievement of some functionality have failed. At the very least most can see that late term abortions, partial birth abortions and infanticide are wrong and should not be permitted. But how can we justify protecting life at conception?

    This brings us back to defining a person by their ability to function as a person. We have seen the flaws with this argument. Along with these flaws is the error of talking about a potential person because they are not functioning as one yet. What we are actually talking about is being a person who has potential to function. The identification as a person comes from what we are not what we do. At conception all that is required to be a fully functioning individual exists. The development of those functions is merely at a very early stage. But that does not mean this is not a person.

    All criteria that we would use to define a person are inherent within the zygote. We may choose to define personhood by function rather than by being or essence. We can then try to strengthen that flawed argument with an appeal to the temporary location of the unborn; but as we have seen that is just one leaky argument after another trying to maintain the denial of the fundamental right to life

    The pro-life argument from conception really is the better choice for making our determination about the unborn, because it avoids the absurdities of the functional and location arguments. In fact, those arguments are so flawed they will also provide support for late term abortions and partial birth abortions as well as infanticide if one is to carry them to their logical and horribly brutal conclusions. Is convenience really worth that?

    Finally, we do not like it when employers or bureaucrats determine our value solely by how we function or only when we are in the workplace. This depersonalization is not something we admire in others yet many who feel this way will turn around and do the same thing to the unborn. It might be convenient but if it is wrong for others to do that to us for their own benefit than we should not do the same thing to the unborn. Dehumanizing others for our own selfish benefit has terrible consequences. We can easily see the tragedy when that results in road rage. We have an even greater tragedy when we allow the unborn to be killed daily.

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    Previous Issues of "Moving To A New Neighborhood":

    Issue #7 Are Chicago Women Really This Stupid?
    Issue #6 OnStar and The Nanny State
    Issue #5 The Limits of Our Languag
    Issue #4 Abortion - Fundamental Issues
    Issue #3 Mel Gibson Failed
    Issue #2 Abortion - Knee Jerk Arguments
    Issue #1 Jerry Springer and the Fall of Rome
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    Friday, June 03, 2005

    I see - pro-life people :-) part I


    You never know when someone with strong pro-life views will show up. I've found a couple of interesting transcripts from people involved with a typically liberal industry. The interviews are a bit long, so I will split this into two posts. Perhaps it will become a series if more people speak up.

    I was aware that Patricia Heaton, female lead of "Everybody Loves Raymond," was pro-life, but it was nice to read the transcript of her bold comments on the O'Reilly factor. You've got to love her closing line.

    ...On Tuesday Patricia Heaton appeared on Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor." Almost immediately host Bill O’Reilly turned the discussion to Heaton’s pro-life views. An excerpt follows:

    O'REILLY: "All right. A couple of interesting things in your book, and we -- put it this way, ladies and gentlemen: If we have somebody on here, the book's not going to be a dog. If the book's bad, we're not going to have them on here.

    "So you are pro-life in a town..."

    HEATON: "That's right."

    O'REILLY: "... that is almost 100 percent pro-choice. How does that impact on you?"

    HEATON: "Well, you know, I'm a chairman of Feminists for Life, and so I think that, because of that, we have an interesting stand that most people don't -- haven't heard before, which is being pro-life can be a feminist issue.

    "The early feminists were pro-life. And really abortion is a huge disservice to women, and it hasn't been presented that way. So -- so it's a -- there's a sort of an in for me because of that take on it."

    O'REILLY: "Do you take any heat from your peers out there?"

    HEATON: "I did. I mean, I did originally. I vote Republican because of my pro-life stance, and, of course, that was a real hot-button issue when Bill Clinton was first elected.

    "I mean, people really -- I wore a Quayle-Bush button, and literally people would stop and look at the button the and look at me and give me dirty looks and, you know, say nasty things to me.

    "I think, since 9/11, a lot of that has calmed down a little bit."

    O'REILLY: "But, still, I mean, if Susan Sarandon or Barbra Streisand were here, I mean, they wouldn't talk to you. They would turn their back on you."

    HEATON: "You know what? It's not that polarized. I mean, people know me first as an actress and friend."

    O'REILLY: "But if they knew. If they knew, they..."

    HEATON: "Some people have had that reaction, but I wouldn't say all of them."

    O'REILLY: "The reason I'm saying it is it's a very emotional issue, as you know."

    HEATON: "Yes."

    O'REILLY: "Tremendously emotionally charged."

    HEATON: "Yes, yes."

    O'REILLY: "And I believe it's been exploited by politicians. I think it's a
    human-rights issue."

    HEATON: "Yes."

    O'REILLY: "Would you ban abortion?"

    HEATON: "As -- Feminists for Life -- what we're trying to do is support women, and so what we want to do is for -- reach women on campus -- college campuses so that, when they get pregnant, they can find housing. They can find money they need to stay in school."

    O'REILLY: "So you're giving -- you're putting an alternative track out there."

    HEATON: "Yes. I think pro-choice is a ridiculous -- you know..."

    O'REILLY: "But it all comes down to..."

    HEATON: "... name."

    O'REILLY: "... would you ban it if you were a Supreme Court justice? Would you vote to ban it?"

    HEATON: "Yes."

    O'REILLY: "You would?"

    HEATON: "Yes."

    O'REILLY: "OK. Now that, obviously, takes guts in Hollywood because, in Hollywood, there's a subtext that, if you don't play the game, you know, you could lose jobs."

    HEATON: "Yes."

    O'REILLY: "Did you ever think of it?"

    HEATON: "Yes, I've thought about it. On a personal level, as a Christian, it will not be Barbra Streisand I'm standing in front of when I have to make an accounting of my life."

    H/T jacquefromtexas

    Previous pro-life posts:

    Knee Jerk Arguments
    Interesting contrast
    Fundamental Issues
    Abortion - no consequences?
    Stem cell research
    Another interesting contrast
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    Thursday, June 02, 2005

    This could get interesting


    Perhaps there actually is good use for our ambulance chasing, tobacco plundering, fast food hunting, safety nazi, deep pocket robbing lawyers. How about we send all of them over to Iraq? One-way tickets preferably.

    From Iraq The Model
    In a conference held in the Kurdish Iraqi city of Halabja, Mrs. Nermin Othman the Iraqi minister of environment said that the city's people are still suffering from the effects of the chemical weapons that were used against the city by orders from Saddam back in 1988.

    The minister also stated that judicial and administrative arrangements are now being made to prepare for putting the firms and individuals who supplied Saddam's regime with chemical weapons on trial.
    From radio Sawa (Arabic).

    I think some guys in old Europe will need to call their lawyers soon!
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